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Quello di Sakai l'ho letto. Mi è piaciuto e lo consiglio a tutti gli amanti della guerra aerea e del teatro del Pacifico.
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per Natale è uscito questo

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/06...3f40-7dcf-37c3-a6c9-fa27222fe3b8&pf_rd_i=5011

Ardennes 1944: The Battle of the Bulge Hardcover – November 3, 2015
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hurricane said: ↑

per Natale è uscito questo

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Sapete se in italiano è uscita una versione economica con copertina flessibile? Per le librerie ho solo visto quella con la copertina cartonata

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solo rigida, per ora

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hurricane said: ↑

per Natale è uscito questo

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Di Beevor ho letto Ardenne,l'ultima sfida di Hitler ,in formato e-book.
Traduzione a parte,suppongo sia lo stesso libro.
Quel "Per Natale e' uscito questo" mi pone il dubbio.

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Rizzoli dice che Ardenne,l'ultima sfida di Hitler è uscito a maggio

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GyJeX said: ↑

Rizzoli dice che Ardenne,l'ultima sfida di Hitler è uscito a maggio
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Quindi e' lo stesso?

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StarUGO said: ↑

Quindi e' lo stesso?
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Confermo è lo stesso, cartaceo costa circa 25 €

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StarUGO said: ↑

Di Beevor ho letto Ardenne,l'ultima sfida di Hitler ,in formato e-book.
Traduzione a parte,suppongo sia lo stesso libro.
Quel "Per Natale e' uscito questo" mi pone il dubbio.
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L'ebook è leggibile (immagini, mappe, tabelle)? Che formato? Pareri sul libro?

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GeorgePatton said: ↑

Quello di Sakai l'ho letto. Mi è piaciuto e lo consiglio a tutti gli amanti della guerra aerea e del teatro del Pacifico.
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Libro molto bello e leggibilissimo ma quanto raccontato lì dentro va preso con le pinze. Sakai stesso ha smentito almeno un episodio che il giornalista usa che ha redatto il libro sembrerebbe aver inventato di sana pianta...

Ciao

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L'ebook è leggibile (immagini, mappe, tabelle)? Che formato? Pareri sul libro?

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Sono sicuramente di bocca buona rispetto ad @hurricane , io non ho notato peggioramenti da parte di Bevoor ed ormai i suoi libri li ho letti praticamente tutti.
Lo stile mi sembra quello di sempre,con testimonianze dei protagonisti (ma nemmeno troppo) e cronaca dello svolgimento,a me piace sempre.
Con le immagini ( e le mappe) faccio sempre fatica ad ingrandire,ma e' un problema mio che ancora non ho capito bene come gestirle in formato e-book.

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Con le immagini ( e le mappe) faccio sempre fatica ad ingrandire,ma e' un problema mio che ancora non ho capito bene come gestirle in formato e-book.
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No no, non è un problema tuo. E' che gli ebook di questo genere li fanno con il, passatemi il francesismo, fondoschiena e mi è già capitato di trovarne di illeggibili, chiedere il rimborso, e prendermi l'edizione cartacea.
Ciao.

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Sono sicuramente di bocca buona rispetto ad @hurricane , io non ho notato peggioramenti da parte di Bevoor ed ormai i suoi libri li ho letti praticamente tutti.
Lo stile mi sembra quello di sempre,con testimonianze dei protagonisti (ma nemmeno troppo) e cronaca dello svolgimento,a me piace sempre.
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IMHO, D-Day e Ardenne rispetto ai primi Stalingrado e Berlino hanno un livello di ricerca e documentazione molto più superficiale e risultano molto più scontati (tranne nel prezzo )

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IMHO, D-Day e Ardenne rispetto ai primi Stalingrado e Berlino hanno un livello di ricerca e documentazione molto più superficiale e risultano molto più scontati (tranne nel prezzo )
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E quelli su Creta e la guerra civile spagnola?

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segnalo altri due recenti libri molto ben fatti sulla guerra del pacifico, vista dal lato americano, ma con dettagli notevoli sulle operazioni, analisi approfondite e bellissime mappe delle principali battaglie aeronavali

è una trilogia e quindi quest'anno forse uscirà il volume conclusivo
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segnalo altri due recenti libri molto ben fatti sulla guerra del pacifico, vista dal lato americano, ma con dettagli notevoli sulle operazioni, analisi approfondite e bellissime mappe delle principali battaglie aeronavali

è una trilogia e quindi quest'anno forse uscirà il volume conclusivo
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Quando scrivi "vista dal lato americano" intendi una certa parzialità dell'autore dalla parte dei buoni o semplicemente sono libri centrati da quella parte?
Che tipologia di libri sono, completamente operazionali (se così si può dire...)? Ma in maniera descrittiva o con lunghe tabelle di numeri e dati?
Inglese scorrevole o impegnativo?

Grazie cmq della segnalazione

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I libri mi sembrano abbastanza imparziali.
L'inglese è assolutamente scorrevole e piacevole.

Lato americano perchè la narrazione avviene soprattutto attraverso l'utilizzo di fonti, diari e reports americani, ma non mancano comunque anche parecchi brani che descrivono il punto di vista giapponese.

Un esempio : un brano tratto dal racconto immediatamente successivo alla battaglia del Mar dei Coralli, attraverso gli occhi degli ammiragli e comandanti americani e giapponesi.

ADMIRAL FLETCHER’S FIRST BUOYANT REPORTS TO PEARL HARBOR AND Washington had been transmitted
when the Lexington was still fighting for her life and seemed likely to survive. “First enemy attack
completed, no vital damage our force,” he radioed Nimitz, and a relieved CINCPAC replied,
“Congratulations on your glorious accomplishments.” Fletcher ’s subsequent updates described the
deteriorating conditions aboard the Lex. Finally came the abysmal news that she was gone.
Commander Layton recorded that Nimitz was “visibly jolted and muttered several times that they
should have saved her.”
Now there were only three American carriers left in the Pacific, and one (Yorktown) had suffered
battle damage that might or might not require her to return to the mainland for repairs. Later that
evening, Nimitz did his best to buck up his staff’s morale, reminding them that the Japanese were
undoubtedly bleeding too. “We don’t know how badly he’s hurt,” he told them. “You can bet your
boots he’s hurt too! Remember this—the enemy has got to be hurt, and his situation is not all a bed of
roses.” But on May 10, he wrote Admiral King privately in a very different tone: “At present stage of
our carrier building program, we cannot afford to swap losses with this ratio.”
King had followed the progress of the battle closely from his office in Washington, but resisted the
temptation to interject himself into the flow of radio communications between Nimitz and Fletcher,
reasoning that “they need all the communications they can use in order to coordinate their work
effectively.” When he learned that the Lexington was no more, however, the COMINCH was badly
shaken. As one of her former skippers, King knew the ship as well as any man in the service. He
ordered that her loss be concealed from the press. He told Admiral Sir Dudley Pound, the British first
sea lord, that the battle had been “merely the first round of an engagement that will continue, with
increasing strength on the part of the enemy, which we shall have difficulty in matching.”

...

IMPERIAL HEADQUARTERS IN TOKYO announced that two American carriers, identified as the Saratoga
and Yorktown, had been sent to the bottom. The claimed sinking of the Yorktown was based on the
aviators’ optimistic impression that they had hit her with three torpedoes and eight to ten 550-pound
bombs, presumably enough punishment to sink any carrier in the world. Rear Admiral Hara, in his
after-action report, had surmised that the Yorktown was probably sunk, but acknowledged that he
could not confirm it.
..
Among the officers of the Combined Fleet staff, however, there was little joy. Even if it proved true
that two enemy carriers were on the floor of the Coral Sea, the price had been heavy: the Shoho was
the first major Japanese ship destroyed in the war, and the loss of so many aircraft and veteran
aircrews came as a nasty shock. Moreover, the senior officers of the Japanese navy knew what the
public bulletins did not disclose—that the main objective of Operation MO, Port Moresby, remained
in Allied hands. Combined Fleet staff faulted Takagi and Hara for having been insufficiently
aggressive in hunting down the American fleet, and condemned Inoue for timidity in withdrawing his
forces prematurely.
Air staff officer Masatake Okumiya summed up the feelings of the staff: “The truth of the matter
was that our senior naval commanders in the Coral Sea area lacked the fighting spirit necessary to
engage the enemy.” In his private diary, Admiral Ugaki confided: “A dream of great success has been
shattered. There is an opponent in a war, so one cannot progress just as one wishes. When we expect
enemy raids, can’t we employ the forces in a little more unified way?”
The battle confirmed a feeling, widely shared by Japan’s naval airmen, that the two carriers of
Hara’s Division 5 were the “little brothers” of Kido Butai. They were regarded as the “B” team,
whose aviators were less experienced and less skilled than the “A” team, represented by Carrier
Divisions 1 (Akagi, Kaga) and 2 (Soryu, Hiryu). Yet even the B team was believed to have sunk two
American carriers at Coral Sea—and if the B team could deal so punishing a blow to an evenly
matched enemy, then the A team should have nothing to fear at Midway. The sentiment was summed
up in an epigram that made the rounds through the ranks of Kido Butai: “If the sons of the concubine
[Shokaku and Zuikaku] could win the victory, the sons of legal wives should find no rivals in the
world.”
There may have been merit in those criticisms of the Japanese commanders and the aviators of
Carrier Division 5, but they also tended to deflect attention away from a more urgent question. Had
the Japanese underestimated their adversaries? Whatever the material outcome of the battle in the
south, it had revealed that the American pilots were not pushovers; that the F4F Wildcat, handled
properly, was a match for the Zero; and that the American dive-bombers posed a dangerous threat to
ships. The enemy had appeared suddenly, at a very inconvenient moment, well within striking range
of Japanese fleet units. The Americans were not incompetent and demoralized. They were evidently
willing and able to give a good account of themselves in battle. But Yamamoto and his key
subordinates were unwilling to interpret the result at Coral Sea for what it was—an ill omen,
signifying that the Midway plan carried much graver risks than they had allowed themselves to
believe.

Il tutto corredato, come detto, da mappe molto belle

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Grazie della risposta, sembra decisamente interessante.
La mappa mi sembra invece bruttina.... tutta su quel violetto, sia le isole che le frecce, non si capisce quali siano le frecce alleate e quali jap, nessuna indicazione dell'ora lungo le rotte (come in Kaigun per esempio). Lo so, sono un vecchio brontolone...

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OK, te ne metto una un pò più bella
(i brutti colori o mancati colori possono dipendere dal fatto che ho modificato il formato epub per leggerli sul PC)

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ed una chicca :

When an American pilot spotted enemy planes, he cried: “Tally Ho!”
Excerpts from the Yorktown’s fighter control transcript for June 4 reflect the confusion and false
alarms that were endemic at this early stage of the war:
“Red 17, arrow 265 from your present position. Acknowledge.”
“Red 17. Wilco.”
“Red 17, bandit in your vicinity ahead, keep sharp look.”
“Red 17. Roger.”
“This is Scarlet 17. One bogey, angel 4, distance 20.”
“This is Scarlet 17. Just a minute. Friendly.”
“Scarlet 17. Resume patrol overhead, report on station.”
“This is Scarlet 17, on station.”
“Red 26, Red 23. Arrow 295, 20 miles, 5,000 feet. Acknowledge.”
“This is Red 23. Wilco.”
“This is Red 26. Wilco.”
“Red 26, Red 23. You better make that about 8,000, unidentified bogey.”
“This is Red 23. Wilco.”
“Red 26, Red 23. Arrow 180. Acknowledge.”
“This is Red 23. Wilco.”
“This is Red 26. Repeat.”
“Red 26, Red 23. Arrow 180. Step on it. Acknowledge.”
“This is Red 26. Wilco.”
“Red 26, Red 23. Bogey a bandit in cloud. Step on it.”
“Red 21. 270. Cloud level acknowledge.”
“This is Red 21. Wilco.”
“Red 13 and 11. Bandit in your vicinity, keep good lookout above and below.”
“This is Red 13. Plane has been identified as friendly.”
“Roger. Return to combat station.”
“This is 13. Wilco.”
“All Scarlet planes keep a sharp lookout for a group of planes coming in at 255 unidentified.”
“Scarlet 9, take your group and look for bogeys bearing 255. Appears to be a large group.”
“This is Scarlet 9. Roger.”
“Scarlet 23 from 19. What is your position?”
“Scarlet 23. Many bogeys, angels 10, arrow 305. Step on it.”
“20 bandits approaching 305. 30 miles, large group of bandits.”
“Scarlet 19. What information have you on bandits?”
“Bandits above me heading for ship. Appear to be 18.”
“About 12 miles away from ship, 255.”
“All Scarlet planes, bandits 8 miles, 255, angels 10.”
“Bandits bearing 255, distance 8.”
“This is Scarlet 19. Formation seems to be breaking up. Planes still same course.”
“OK, break ’em up.”
“Scarlet 19, going to attack 3 enemy bombers about 5 miles.”
“Tally Ho!”

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Grazie della chicca, figata, peccato che il mio inglese non me la fa capire in pieno.

Ciao!

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Confermo che i libri segnalati da Hurricane meritano. Ne ho letto solo uno stralcio qualche mese fa che mi ha però convinto a prendere il primo. E' li in ordine di lettura, in paziente attesa del suo turno.

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Finalmente arrivati Samurai! e Kaigun (Instrument of Darkness invece non è stato reperito)...Kaigun è un tomo enorme, peserà 3kg! Ho cominciato a leggere, e sebbene riteniate poco più che scolastico l'inglese di tali libri, per me sarà un'autentica sfida...queste le versioni arrivate:
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